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Michael Kowalik's avatar

Very good! Let me try something else, based on your model:

1#. Whatever is created ex nihilo is logically dependent on Consciousness in every respect.

2#. Whatever is created ex nihilo is not constituted of or from anything further.

3#. Whatever is not constituted of or from anything further is logically independent in that respect.

4#. Whatever is logically independent in any respect is not logically dependent in every respect.

This is Not a Tautology, because ‘independent in ANY’ is not the opposite of ‘dependent in EVERY’. The opposite of ‘dependent in EVERY’ is ‘dependent in not-EVERY’ or ‘independent in not-none’, but “anything further” in 3# could be None (no other respect is possible because there is nothing apart from consciousness).

5#. Therefore, creation ex nihilo is not disproven.

In short, there is a leap from 3 to 4, which assumes that there is something further that creation could dependent on, but this begs the question.

EDIT: There is another error. Being ‘dependent on something in every respect’ is not contradicted by ‘not being dependent on anything else’ (or being independent of everything else); these statements are logically equivalent. The contradiction would arise only if something were dependent in every respect on X but also dependent in some respect on Y.

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Aaron's avatar

Those who claim creation ex nihilo also typically claim that nothing transcends God, but these claims are self-defeating. That which is created ex nihilo necessarily transcends God - otherwise, the claim would be creation ex deus, but that is also rejected as it equates to pantheism. It’s the same argument you make but in terms of ontological dependency.

Christianity is long past due in rejecting creation ex nihilo, but it can’t because it’s a foundational piece in the fragile house of cards.

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